Hirsbrunner Tuba Serial Numbers
Hirsbrunner Tuba Serial Numbers List
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ATschetter wrote:I bought a Hirsbrunner HBS-392/HB-21 on here a few months ago, and I just want to find out when it was made. Its serial number is 2254, and it appears to be somewhat young (probably 10-14 years old). It also has a 'USN' (US Navy) engraving on the bell. Thanks.That looks like the number from the valveset. There should be a number on the bell throat, possibly six digits, near the model number. That's the one we need.If this were that number, then the tuba would have been made in 2002 ('22'), in May ('5'), and was the fourth instrument made that year ('4').I don't believe they would have been making the fourth instrument of the year in May, so that's one reason I think this number came from the valveset, which also has its own serial number.
My 2P, '251076,' was the 76th instrument made in 2005, and it was made in October, so if production was fairly consistent with that three years earlier and was spread fairly evenly through the year they would obviously get well beyond #4 by May.At least this shows you the pattern. I asked a similar question of Peter Hirsbrunner a while back, and he explained it to me in a very helpful email. FAQ Czar Posts: 2338 Joined: Sat May 08, 2010 2:54 pm.
Does anyone known where to find info on the Model Numbers that Holton used ex: 230, 232, 566, 666, etc. And how to correctly identify model number with model type? Was the 232 a Revelation or a Stratodyne. What was the Model 566 and 666 were they both Collegiate model types?Model Types, Years and Serial Numbers:.
- For example, an instrument with the serial number 28000 could have been made between the years 1904 and 1910, depending on the actual rate of production.
- BB-Tuba CC-Tuba F-Tuba Eb-Tuba Euphonium. Euphonium HBS 378. Euphonium HBS 479. Technical details Bore size 15/16 mm Bell diameter 305 mm Height 660 mm. Other informations 4 valves piston Automatic compensating system Brillant sound. Technical details Bore size 15/17 mm.
Holton - Chicago Years:1915-1918 Serials: 1-2000. Holton - Elkhorn Years:1918-1925 Serials: 1201-18499. Holton - Rudy Weidoeft Years:1925-1932 Serials: 0.
Holton - Revelation Years:1925-1980 Serials: 35. Holton - Collegiate Years: 1932-1979 Serials: 135. Holton - Stratodyne Years:1948-1958 Serials: 199source:Does anyone have a list like the above list for model numbers, years, etc.? Aside from the early models (Beauforts and early Revelations) without a model number, the number will be stamped right above the serial number.
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We then correlate those with old ads in many cases (i.e., the 234/Stratodyne). The 566/666 (altos) and 576 (tenors) were indeed Collegiates-they will have a large 'Collegiate' engraving on the bell.
There were older Collegiates too, very similar to the 'Revelations' (Revelations are usually called 'Elkhorns' by non Holton folks, as that's all that's really engraved on them, other than a design.) Those Collegiates will also be clearly marked by engraving on the bell. A lot of the numbered models were just identified by their number, as far as I know, aside from the kinda rare 400-series horns (the alto is a 465, the Bari is a 480) which did have a name, the 'Ideal'. Their engraving was sometimes a large globe.
You don't see a lot of those.Here's a 666-pretty rare-even with the fancy silver and copper metal, still marked 'Collegiate'Other weird and rare models: Reso-tones-search the Holton section-some good info and pics in there. Jazzbug has a 214 Tenor, and there's pics of a couple 204 altos. These are very ornate and have a ring around the bell edge.Note: there seems to be a lot of overlap in some models. For example, 232 (right side bell keys) and 233 (left side bell keys) were apparently were made at the same time. I think the Resotones were also made at the same time as 203/213/215s (Revelations when they gained model numbers).I haven't seen a list as you have laid out, but member LaPorte posted an accurate serial number list. The serial numbers, combined with pics of specific horns and their respective numbers (especially in the 'Modern Vintage Holton' thread give a pretty good idea when theses horns were made.I haven't see any numerical designation for Rudy Wiedoefts, but Rudy's (unless transitional models) are also clearly engraved as such.
Those catalogs on saxophone.org were great to see. (Now I want a 244 Stratodyne Tenor and 271 Bari more than ever!)Also, there are more Baris-I've seen (and uploaded) pics of a 274, and I think also a 273.Lastly the 204 alto and 214 Tenor were 'Resotones'-extremely fancy and premium early hornsThank you for the additional information.Geauxsax, I am assuming the Baritone 273 and 274 are Revelation's can you confirm this please? I have never heard of a Holton Resotone do you know what years they were made and if they are stencils like the Beaufort Models? I know from the catalogs that the 214 is actual a Revelation Baritone would Holton have used the same number on two different saxophones? Pages 8 and 9 of the 'Modern Vintage Holtons' thread have 270, 273, and 274 baris. There's a 480 (460?) 'Ideal' Bari in there somewhere as well.The 4XX series was termed the 'Ideal' Not sure if the other ones were Revelations or not-it was a generic term used by Holton for most of their saxes-engraved occasionally, but more often not.Lastly, I've never seen model numbers on any C melodies or sopranos. They may have carried internal numeric designations at the company and in catalogs, but I think both types died out right around the time Holton started stamping model numbers near the serial numbers.
I'm not sure all those model numbers listed were used-no proof, just a hunch.Here's a good link on Resotones. Note some confusion as Jazzbug originally thought the stamp was 244 instead of 214.Geauxsax, all the model numbers I listed with the exception of the Resotone 204 Alto, and the Baritones 273, 274, and 480 that you provided came from the Holton catalogs and price lists found at. Would Holton list model numbers in their catalogs and price lists and then not actually use them?
That would make tracking models very confusing.Ok, I have three new questions:Did Holton actual repeat model numbers with the model 214 was it used for the Res-o-tone Tenor as well as a the Revelation Baritone?Did Holton stamp the model number on ever saxophone produced that had a model number assigned in a catalog or price list?Did Holton list model numbers in their catalogs and price lists and then not actually sell these models to the public?At the moment these are questions that I am not sure how to find the answers too. Any ideas on how to resolve these questions? Geauxsax, all the model numbers I listed with the exception of the Resotone 204 Alto, and the Baritones 273, 274, and 480 that you provided came from the Holton catalogs and price lists found at. Would Holton list model numbers in their catalogs and price lists and then not actually use them? That would make tracking models very confusing.Ok, I have three new questions:Did Holton actual repeat model numbers with the model 214 was it used for the Res-o-tone Tenor as well as a the Revelation Baritone?Did Holton stamp the model number on ever saxophone produced that had a model number assigned in a catalog or price list?Did Holton list model numbers in their catalogs and price lists and then not actually sell these models to the public?At the moment these are questions that I am not sure how to find the answers too. Any ideas on how to resolve these questions?Holton made many horns without model numbers-the cut off seems to be in the early 1930s.
For example, my Revelation Tenor doesn't have a model number stamped, nor does it even say Revelation (just the usual floral design and Elkhorn). Also, I've never seen or heard of a Rudy, or any soprano or C-Melody carrying a model number.
They were simply made before Holton started stamping them, best I can tell. There may have been a 214 Baritone-maybe it was the unstamped Revelation bari that preceded the 215. If that's the case, then they recycled the number. In my mind, if they weren't stamped, then I don't refer to them by model number. Really, the only possibilities before numbers anyway were Revelations, Collegiates, Rudy Wiedoefts, and earlier Beauforts from what I know, with the term Revelation blanketing nearly the entire line.My guess is that before Holton started stamping the numbers, they were just internal company designations, or for catalog ordering purposes. It also wouldn't surprise me if the catalogs had some wrong, or listed numbers that never actually got built.